Pongal of '94. After duly monitoring the direction in which the milk boiled over, I knew what I should tell my mom and started counting my chickens. Of course whichever direction it flew out, she will have a theory that its still a good 'sign'. But only 'East' would make her content to the brim that all else would appear irrelevant. Even the thought of letting her sons commit the heinous crime of going to the theater on the morning of a festival...
Mahanadhi is the only movie till date that I have watched First day! First show !!
Watching the movie that day, the background motif for the romance between Heroine and behind-the-bars hero was something inexplicable. Though a usually emotional Kamal Hassan became a super emotional Kamal Hassan on that particular movie and was grabbing the best part of my attention, I could still notice how 'complex' that background score was .. Years later in Coimbatore - thanks to the vast collection of Jaffer brothers who ran a successful audio recording business in Gandhipuram - I came to know, that background score was actually a full blown song which never found its way into the movie. Back in my college music club, Our drummer Rajesh and me have spent quite a few nights trying to understand the song.
You can listen to the song in question here.
Its after all a 8 beats per measure song.. But its neither a 'normal' 8 beat cycle that we are used to in pop/ movie songs nor our Carnatic Aadhi Talam. In fact to discern that its not any monster but just an 8 beats a cycle song, requires some observation. Its because though the song has 8 beats, the strong beats are on 1,3 and 6th beat.
In other words, the key here is the absence of any emphasize on the usual 5th beat where an unmistakable divider is felt in most forms of 8 beat cycles of world music. Its signified by concepts such as Aridhi in our Carnatic music or an odd crash or a base pedal which signifies the symmetry that you have completed the first 4 and entering the next 4.. Much like Berlin's Checkpoint Charlie that proclaims "You are now entering the American Territory"..
But that is not to be in this song!
Therefore, the meter is more of a: 1 2| 1 2 3| 1 2 3|
I really couldn't fit what I heard in this song into any of the known conventions. For a long time it remained as my Reimann's Hypothesis making me wonder how to trap this prime.. But the answer to this puzzle was no where in sight..
Almost a decade and half later, when this query was still haunting me I finally found help. Rasikas.org is a high quality carnatic musical forum where lot of professionals discuss and guide beginners like me. I posted the same query there and got quite a few remarkable and enlightening responses. Following is the summary of that discussion.
- You could consider this meter as a Tisra Mattiya Tala (Which is a cycle of 3 + 2 + 3) with an eduppu at 4th beat. But the problem with this view is that, no 'shift' is perceived in the song whatsoever. Samam is unmistakable and woudln't fit.
- Through an advanced concept called 'Talaprasthara' in Carnatic Music, it could be established that there are 128 permutations in which beat cycles of 8 could be arrived. Our case of 2 + 3 + 3 is actually the 19th combination in this set.
- If I am insisting of having a structure of Dhuratam + Tisra Lagu + Tisra Lagu, then it lacks necessary Talangas required for a regular 'Tala'. So this can not be even considered as a 'Tala', but a more of a Rhythmic form which can be named after you or me.
- It is a song with actually 3 beats, and not 8 beats per cycle, where by the first beat is divided as two sub-beats, 2nd and 3rd beats is divided as 3 sub-beats each. More like an interpretation of: 2/8 + 3/8 + 3/8; It makes this beat cycle one of mixed gathi since each beat is not divided by same number of sub-beats. This is the way how Chappu talams in Carnatic music are interpreted. i.e., They have Tala cycles with no lagu in it but only beats that are not necessarily of same Gathi. Other popular examples are Kanda Chappu (2/8 + 3/8) and Misra Chappu (3/8 + 2/8 + 2/8).
(For academic interest, you can follow the whole thread here.)
To me the last explanation is more satisfactory. Not just because it compliments the other points above, but also the lyrics of this song seem to be beautifully written emphasizing the syllables of the aforesaid duration per each beat. i.e., Solladha = 2/8, Raagangal = 3/8, Ennenna = 3/8 and so on. (Who is the lyricist of this song, any idea..? He has done a fabulous job writing poetic words for such a tough meter..He deserves as much acclaim as Raaja.. I would love to think its Vaali..)
The way in which the experiment is carried on through out the song to bring about variations even in such a tough beat pattern is beyond my imagination;
For instance, take the finishing of Pallavi
Inaindha Sandharpam = 12 123
Izhandha Pon sorgam = 12 123
Thirumbumo = 123
Pudhu Yugam= 123
Arumbumo = 123
+ 5 beats offset by chords
i.e., a total of = 5 + 5 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 5 = 24 or 3 cycles of the original meter.
First 4 bars of 1st interlude is a maze agin... Especially the 10 count synth vibraphone that runs from the 6.5th beat of 1st bar and offsets all the way to the end of the second bar.. what an half beat timing man.. Keyboardist's nightmare..
And think of layers of attentive craftsmanship to the main beat.. A Triangle at 2nd and 5th count somewhere in the back. (can be more clearly heard in the pallavi)
So is the variety in ending of interludes with divisions of 5 + 5 + 6 to makeup two cycles. The second interlude where the song switches to Roopakam is one of the enchanting shifts in the song (although from a theoretical view point the song fails to return to the original meter at Samam).
The point I am trying to make is, even though it appears that the beat is running in the loop, its still full of mutations that wanders away in an almost unnoticeable fashion. That is the aesthetics of Raaja's compositions.
As is his ability to simplify a complex thing, he ably demonstrates a dummy's version of this tune in regular 8/8 in the background score that I spoke about. Listen to this string ensemble adoption of the same theme. Who can dare to erase all the rhythmic complexity and make it appear more appreciable to mortal ears. And later the Guitar strummed version of the complex meter returns.. and caps with chromatically embellished finish.
If you are tempted to think, this is an one off indigenous idea that struck him one fine morning by fluke, you are terribly wrong.. A decade prior to Mahanadhi, Raja already demoed a very similar complex meter... It was in fact the title track of Nothing but wind, one of his most significant non-film albums that sealed his status of genius.
Listen to this.
This is a movement with beat cycles of 3 + 3 + 2. Surely not your Adhi Talam next door. Yet we missed it because the lead melody here is set as if its played on top of a normal 8/8; This is highly camouflaging. Once you notice it, you will kick yourself. Because the stress points of the drum beat is highly accentuated by the base pedal very prominently at 1st, 4th and 7th count, while the melody is oblivious to these stress points and takes a more conventional reference. In one sense, this cycle is an alternate view of the meter of the Mahanadhi song. i.e., if you consider the "Solladha" song's meter with an 'Eduppu' at 3rd count you will arrive at this movement's meter.
Instances such as this are proof enough that, time and again Raaja keeps himself savvy with such real experiments. I mean, music experiments in film music often needs to be deliberate. You tell me how often true and meaningful experiments are attempted by composers in Film music whose limits are driven - Not by the technology you possess nor by some stupid script that demands Hero plays an instrument until blood is dripping from his fingers. Music composed with such ulterior aids are already prejudiced in the mind of the listener, that it ought to be good.. Its creator ought to be a genius. This is the reason everyone is a genius now a days.
But its music that's innovated for art's sake that needs to be celebrated.
With Love
Vicky
Good to see your article after a long time.
ReplyDeleteA very nice analysis of rhythm. Rhythms of Raja are so intricate and he seems to have done so much that enough has not been said. It is good to see people like you concentrate on this aspect. The pity is that nowadays people are more taken in by the store bought rhythms that they fail to understand such complexity.
SPB in many programs has pointed out as to how Raja makes the rhythm go in one pattern like a tisra nadai and lets the main melody go as normal chatusra nadai. He also points out how difficult it is to sing such things live. One of the songs I remember him commenting about was 'agaya vennilave'. I see something similar happening in the Kannada song, 'nagu endide' from 'Pallavi Anupallavi'. A sort of staccato rhythm accompanies a free flowing main melody. If it was sung live by Janaki you have to doff your hat to that great lady. It is not easy to maintain a different rhythm in your singing when the background is being played in a totally different fashion. What is your opinion on this song and its rhythm?
Very interesting topic, well written... solladha raagangal is a delight!
ReplyDeleteFor me, one striking feature in IR's music is how intricately he structures his songs.
He packs in many interesting tit-bits, but typical of him, he chooses to keep them latent, they are there, but not on-your-face.
They quite easily could bypass casual ears, but to the more curious ones, they are there to be explored and cherished.
These aren't 'complex' stuffs per se; the classical forms are abundant with googlies and bouncers.
But within the boundaries of film music (and the way IR stays loyal to a situation/timeperiod/genre,etc thereby adding more constraints)
he manages to fit in so many little nuggets, a feature that sets him apart from other composers.
He seems to view the taalams in such varied perspectives, that his rhythm pattern, more often than not, turns out interesting and at times even tricky. Among the many 'variations' in the aadhi/8 beat type, a few random songs that have picked my curiosity always:
Poo pota dhaavani (kaakki sattai) - the placement of the words in the beginning lines of the pallavi - poopota dhaavani bodhayil aadudhu -
love the way he plays around with the structuring here, its not quite the conventional format.
Ayya idhai meyyai (dharma seelan) - A pathos number built on a math platform! Whenever i try humming this song, i either miss out on the thaalam or the emotions! The tabla beat sounds simple if separated from the rest of the song. To me it sounds something like
Tha+Dheem+ThakaDheem+ThakitaDhimi
1 + 1 + 123 + 12345
But with the tune in place, its begins to reverse swing!
Maanjolai kili dhaano (kizhakke pogum rayil) - again a very varied pattern on the tabla when compared to the tune of the song.
Vanakuyile (priyanka) - that lovely rhythm pattern adding to the lalitha raagam - double scoop sundae!
Dear Vicky,
ReplyDeleteUnga blog ai padichen...
(idhanae ennal solla mudiyum.
Padika theirumae. hehehehe.)
IR in Beats - really its amazing.
so i like your blog.( thalam pathi ellm onnum theiryadhu pa...)
With Love,
Usha Sankar.
Another wonderful article, that throws light on the lesser talked about aspect of IR music - the complex rhythm patterns he conceived in some songs.
ReplyDeleteThe finishing of the Pallavi did give me some goose bumps.
One song, whose rhythm structure I could never understand is "Ennum Ennai Ennai seidhai" from Singaravelan. I never understood the way he finished the loop of the rhythm.Very different from usual rhythm cycles.Could you please write a small post on that too :)
Can we term it as a Thaalamaalika ala Raaga maalika. Also it sounds to me a marriage of diverse rhythmic schools - fusion at the level of rhythm - not just at harmony alone. the picturisation that we got to see finally had that element of jerk, jolt , then harmonious joining of a family doing a ring around the rosie with the centre piece being couple holding hands and going around and finally stumbling and jerking their way into reality. I find the song, the melody and rhythm shifts and beat cycle joinings reflecting the context aptly. Truly the hall marks of a genius on his day at the office.. and you too have proven your diligence with this wonderful post .. yet again....
ReplyDelete@ Suresh:
ReplyDeleteYou can expect at least one post a month from me.. Thats the target I set myself.. :-) Of course, As and when time permits surely I hope to clock more than that.
About Tisra beats with Chatusra Melody, this is a very big big topic. At least as far as Raaja goes, I think I am beginning to understand (some of the) basics. So surely more posts will follow in this domain. Also in the context of Aagaya Vennilavae, please see my old post (posted sometime in 2002 in the erstwhile Geocities): http://sites.google.com/site/violinvicky/tala-bedham/googly
About Nagu Endithe, the Stocatto Rhythm that you mentioned is actually a "Swing Waltz" I guess.. IR revolutionized this variety of Rhythm with full of innovations.
Search for swing waltz in Yahoo Groups archives.. I remember writing about it there.. 'Swing waltz' is in my list of articles to do as well ;-) The scope is huge to write about it. Esp. the way Raaja has handled it.. With Indian flavor..
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@ Bheemboy:
Thanks a lot...
Man.. thats some selection of songs that you have listed there.. Especially the song "Ayya".. The trick there is: I think splitting 1.5 cycles of Aadhi (i.e., 12 beats) into 2 cycles of Roopakam.. Same as the concepts that I discussed in the link specified to the Suresh as well as the links I will give you below.. Its indeed a very confusing number.. There are atleast some hundred songs of Raaja with this type of rhythm games. Vanakuyile decoded here: (old one written again in 2002) http://sites.google.com/site/violinvicky/tala-bedham
'Poopotta' is again, pushing the limits of half timing with Drums in Indian film music..
Also please see my take on a relatively unknown song 'Kottunga Kottunga': http://raagadevan.blogspot.com/2008/06/hero-glyphics.html (In terms of complexity, I would rate this song more than "solladha"..)
And I fully agree with your statement that Tala paradigm of CCM is super complex.. All the stuff that we are discussing here are something like 10% or less of complexity in any given Tani Avartanam, lets say..
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@ Akarsh:
Thanks a lot man..
The trouble in Innum ennai starts at the line: (kaigal) ThAnAi kOrththai I guess..
ThA = 3 maatras
nAi = 3
KOr = 3
Thai =3
Inbam Inbam = 2
Until here is 16 maatras or 4 Aksharas..
Similarly ThEnAi vArthAi is another 4 Aksharas..
Sin = 3
gaara = 3
vee = 3
laa = 3
Fillin = 4
so perfect cycles of 4/4 there.. But very nicely divided..
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@ Usha:
Vazhakkam pol unga feedback-ukku thanks. I think if you re-read it a few times you will feel more comfortable with technicalities of Taala I guess..
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@ VK Jaiganesh:
Thanks for your encouraging comments. I think there is no real name to call multitude of Taalas interlaced in the same song (Especially when it appear for brief portions)
As Bheemboy pointed out, in Carnatic classical music, taking 'n' number of beat cycles together and conveniently dividing them into cycles of completely some other nadai
and offsetting remaining beats to return to the original reference is one of the most challenging aspect of Carnatic percussionists. In fact its more a given in CCM
(in places like Mukthaai, where they typically finish with the flourish of Kanda nadai like grsdp rsdpg pdsrg (for Mohanam for insatnce); But when we see similar applications in Cine songs,
it makes our Raaja real master.
Brilliant interpretation of this theme with reference to the visuals. Thats an angle I completely overlooked.
With Love
Vicky
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PS: As readers of this blog, you might find the discussion going on, in the comments section of the previous post (i.e., Discover Janaki Chechi Post) interseting.
I just gave my view point to Shaaji's article on IR there..
Hi Vicky,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the Geocities site. As you rightly say, a lovely googly from Raja.
Raja's rhythms deserve a Ph D Thesis as such. They can be analysed in multiple ways. Ravi Natarajan in his blog has been writing about the different percussion instruments Raja uses for different types of songs or different percussion instruments for the same type of songs!!! The other mode is as you do, to analyse the complexity of the tala and the way Raja inventively uses these. The problem with this man is that he hides all this behind something seemingly simple. One reason why when our knowledge grows, our love for Raja grows!!
I was listening to the Malayalam album 'Kaliyoonjal' recently and found how much he has played with rhythm in that album as well. Almost every song has some twist in the rhythm. The one I liked the most, from a rhythm point of view, was 'kalyana pallakil'. The song is set to kanda chapu. The initial pallavi and the first two lines of the charanam have the synth drums following them. The beat is not a straight kanda nadai. Only when the tabla comes in after the first two lines of the charanam do you discern the kanda nadai clearly. A very well done song. Complexity in rhythm but the melody is intact.
vicky,
ReplyDeleteI glanced through the discussion at Rasikas. Though it seemed interesting, quite frankly, most of the stuff did a hop-skip-jump over my head! (My knowledge of classical is limited to carnatic and further down to just its basics, as in mapping some swaras to some IR song/popular krithi to identify a ragam and following the beat to find a talam)
Thanks to your post, Solladha raagangal has been playing in a loop for the past few days. It struck me yesterday that (by using a crude/skeletal mapping technique), the beat of the song could (kind of) be intrepreted as:
'dheem tha tha, dheem tha tha tha, dheem tha thakita'
This jathi/beat starting from samam, along with the lyrics, somehow seem to fit in nice and simple. I have pretty much no idea about the sequence of beats used while playing the drums (i mean the counts at which the snare, tom-tom, bass, etc are played). But if one were to play a simple rhythm on something like tabla or a mrudangam, this jathi would fit in snug I think. I might have completely mis-intrepreted things here, I must add!
thanks for introducing kottunga kottunga... what a beauty of a song!
At a more free flowing level I thought 'Konchum pura' song from Aanazhagan ( a prashanth movie - what a title?).
ReplyDeletehas this rhythm pattern one for pallavi and one for the lude and the charanam. quite interesting mix that one.
@ Suresh:
ReplyDeleteIndeed Raaja's rhythm experiments are my favorite subject.
About "kalyana Pallakkil", I think its just plain Aadhi Talam Tisra nadai, right..? A small confusion is that, the lyrical meter seem to follow Rupakam at times.. The rhythm track plays around like being Rupakam but actually switches back to just plain Aadi Tisra nadai, almost for the entire duration of the song. The Tabla portion you specified actually helps boster the belief that its Adi Tisra nadai. I have been introspecting for a while and finally am beginning to understand the duality of Raaja's songs w.r.t Roopakam and aadhi talam tisra Nadai. So expect more posts in this topic in future. however writing paragraphs after paragraphs about this is rather a complex task. A pod cast or something would be much more efficient, easy and more clear I guess. Lets see if we can start one.
@ Beehmboy:
The jathi you have specified does fit the song's rhythm to a T; But the trick is you have split each beat with a swing; i.e., you mapped the first 2/8 as "Dheem Tha Tha", But the second "tha" here is one maatra longer than the last "tha". Or in other words,
Dheem = 1/16
Tha = 1/8
Tha = 1/16
(So a total of 2/8); the next 3/8 and the last 3/8 can be interpreted in the same way;
So your model is very handy to sing by mouth but tricky to put it on the paper I guess. Proper common grounds can be found by the comments of VK in rasikas.org, where he said the Kriya of this Talam should be: "Tap , Silence(2/8) + Tap Tap Silence (3/8) + Tap Tap Silence (3/8); ".
On Kottunga, yeah its a lovely song.
@Jaiganesh:
The main structure of Konjum pura is 4/4 as beautifully shown by the snar at every half beat (almost through out the song, even when the double speed variation kicks in stanza). The melody is very beautifully done in pallavi to sow the seeds of doubt on the listener's mind as to where does the beat cycle.. But it starts at "Konjum" only. A very well done song indeed.
With Love
Vicky
Hi Vicky,
ReplyDeleteSuper again, enjoyed nothing but wind again listening, really I did miss it............cheers
I guess my confusion about 'kalyana pallakil' arose because of the kalapramanam I was using. I was probably slowing it down a bit and was getting a gap of around 2 beats when the charanam ended !!! If I speed up the kalapramanam things even out. I have seen this in the recent 'Bhagyadevatha' song 'adi thirathanil' as well. If my kalapraman is a tad slow I end up thinking it is a kanda chapu song while it is a adi talam song !!
ReplyDeletedear mr.vicky, jus now read your blog. i could not understand the technalities for the first time. but after listening to three time i could pick up slowly. keep posting such wonderful articles. thanks a lot for entering a domain in which only a few have ventured.
ReplyDeletelogesh aravindan
Hi Vicky,
ReplyDeleteI vaguely remember you asking this on rasikas.org.
I want to point out that the thing to remember is carnatic music does NOT have a notion of a easy steady beat. As you know the mridangam does not keep a steady beat nor does the melody itself inherently lends to a easy steady beat.
The "rhythm of the tala keeping" isn't really the rhythm of the melody/song although most carnatic vocalists as well as fans may make it so ;-) !!). So if you take say the 7-beat miSra cApu - while the tala is KEPT as 123 12 12 (either as beats on the 1's, and in some cases 2 soft beats on the first 12 and then beats on the remaining two 1s), it should not be construed as "the beat for misra chapu. Mainly tala keeping is a way of counting time - so misracapu songs would typically have 14 counts (2-cycles) per "line" (two lines for pallavi, 2 for anupallavi and 4 typically for caranam). This 14 can be arrived at in many different ways similar to what you outline in Ilayaraja's songs. Sometimes double-speed would be used in portions of the line in the middle of sangathis. But the eventual count must tee up with the count as per tala - which is why one keeps time that ways. You also of course know about eduppu i.e. song lines dont have to start at the start of tala.
This doesn't change much of what you say, except that one shouldn't necessarily assume that a 123 123 12 isn't necessarily Adi tala but at best some form of tiSra maTya tala shift because of the structure of the beat. The 3+3+2 fill for 8 counts is a common mridangam pattern in Adi songs (to fill 2 counts), just that you wont find CM melodies to follow it uniformally through large sections of the song - again concept of steady beat isn't there in the same vein as in other kinds of music.
Also, structural differences between these the talas (Adi vs. tisra maTya) are somewhat a different animal, and one may say those differences arent used as much by all composers, and one could say whose true import isnt that evident. Dikshitar used it more than others e.g. in a 10 cycle tala split as 7+1+2 (misra jhampa) the 7 part would be taken by a "longer word" such that its end falls on the 8th count of the tala cycle.
Arun
Hi Arun:
ReplyDeleteThanks and welcome here.
I have read, re-read, re-read and re-read your comments. At the outset your points are quite clear. The art (rather the science) science of inbuilt rhythm of the song being something else than the superfluous percussion support is a great topic. It was VK from Rasikas.org who pushed me to look things at this direction.
One point that I would like to bring up though is, as you said it is common for mridangam patterns being at a different division than the base talam. However as you mentioned rightly it occurs only for a period of few aavartanams and sanity has to return with some sort of uniformity between the steady beat of the talam and the structure of the song. Where as in the case of the aforesaid song, assuming your view the non-uniformity is observed through out the song.. Would you say, then this is also not unknown..?
Also on your statement "except that one shouldn't necessarily assume that a 123 123 12 isn't necessarily Adi tala but at best some form of tiSra maTya tala shift because of the structure of the beat.", I miss the point because it seem to suggest to me, it could well be aadhi or well be tiSra MaTya.. ? (rather inconclusive ..?);
Regardless of this, the way how I look at things have indeed widened after being in such discussions. Thanks a lot for offering an insightful comment.
With Love
Vicky