In carnatic classical music, there is a very unique application of Aadhi Talam. When the "Eduppu" (i.e., the starting point of the song) doesn't start at the starting point of the Tala cycle but starts after 2 mathras (or 1/2 aksharam into the cycle) its called Madhyadhi Talam. When the song starts after 6 mathras (or 1.5 aksharamas into the cycle) its called Desadi Talam... The Madhyadhi talam is pretty easy to grasp.. but the desadi talams are relatively complex.. Famous Kritis in Desadi Talams are Raguvamsa suda, Bantureethi, Oraju Pusu etc.. From my childhood violin classes I love these krithis (Well, who doesn't...?)
While Madhyadhi Talams are quite common in Film music , Desadi Talams are quite rare... Even more rare is the occurance of both the styles in the same song..
Here I introduce you to the next hero'sglyphic "Majnu Alidha" from the movie "Usire".. A song that I am sure didn't warrant your second look, if at all you managed to listen to it the first time .. But this song is one of its kind experiment from Raaja.. Besides being a very good Shanmugapriya, it captures the sandy storms in the dessert very well.. Wonder if the picturization did justice to it.. Anyways, here you can listen to it so that you may follow what I am going to blabber next..
Majnu Alidha
When the song starts as "Majnu Alidha", it starts as a Madhyadhi Tala song. But unlike normal Madyadi talas (such as Sundari Neeyum, Pothi vecha malligai mottu etc..)which are very easy to follow, this one feels quite odd.. I think this is because any ordinary composer would have set a rhythm for this tune in such a way that the syllable "maj" from Majnu would be the last 2 matras of the previous Aadhi cycle and the syllable "nu" of Majnu starting at the samam. i.e., an application of "Athitha Eduppu" (i.e., pallavi starting before the tala cycle commence) would have sounded perfect here and easy to follow.. But Raaja is not a ordinary composer..
He goes for 'Anagatha eduppu' instead :-) [i.e., pallavi starting after the tala cycle commence].. Here, the whole of "Majnu" starts well after 2 matras.. very very unorthodox.. Rules....?? what ..?
But the real surprise is saved after the first 2 lines.. The 3rd line of Pallavi "Aledheledu huligidharu" starts after 1.5 aksharams, making it an occurance of Desadi Talam.. It continues like this for next 3 lines.. and then when the pallavi chorus reaches "Oleva..Oleva.." the song is back to Madyadi talam.. Only to go back to Desadi Talam, when the stanza starts .. and it stays so until it ends.. The application of Desadi is best illustrated in the stanza and thats why its my favorite part of the song.... The way it coverging back to Madhyadi talam at "Oh.. Oleve" is super..
And I am thinking for a long time now... other than this song, I can't think of the usage of Desadi Talam in another film song.. May be if I double the speed of the Taalam (to a 1/2 kalai Aadhi Tala or something if ever there is such a thing), then I end up with a few such as "Nilave Vaa" (Mouna raagam), Stanza of Kurukku Siruthavale (Rehman's Mudhalvan) etc., But none in the normal oru kalai Aadi Talam's tempo. I would be certainly very interested to know if there are more..
The best part of this song is that, The rest of the song seem to be operating in a different frame of reference to that of Mano's. If you see the Rhythm as well as the remaining arrangements, they go about their business as if its a regular Aadi Tala song. This is unlike the regular carnatic Desadi songs, where the stage is normally well set by the percussionist by emphasizing the start of the cycle well enough so that the vocalist gets a grip to start 1.5th aksharams there after. But here this song is a regular 16 Beat shuffle that we are very used to in Ace of base, Unai Kaana villaiye Netrodu etc.. This pattern is meant for a normal Aadi Talam song and there is no element in this rhythm to suggest it could be used as a Desadi Pattern . That for me is really out of the box.. I am sure Mano might have relished this experiment as remembering to sing with little complicated reference on a rhythm pattern that's his daily cup of tea is a bit tricky. And hope you liked it too... :-)
With Love
Vicky
nice post. got to know about desadi talam. Is the saranam of "oh vasantha raja" desadi talam?
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ReplyDeleteThank You.
Saranam of "Oh.. Vasantha Raaja" is same as "Nilave Vaa"; Its "Desadi" or not depends on if you fix the reference matra of Aadhi in the speed 1x or 2x of the normal 1 kalai aadi. (Note: I am NOT using the term Tempo here.)
Lets say that 1 aksharam of Aadi is defined as "Tha Ka Dhi Mi".. Then the meter of Aadi would be,
"Tha Ka Dhi Mi | Tha Ka Ju Nu" X 4 times.. Right..? This is what normally called as 1 kalai Aadhi Talam (Please correct me if I am wrong here..)
With this reference, if you want to define Desadi Talam, then the song should start after "tha ka dhi mi | tha ka"; This is the case with 'Raguvamsa' as well as Charanam of 'Majnu'.
Now lets take "Nilave va" or Saranam of Oh Vasantha raaja ("Men Panju Megangal"); It starts after "Tha Ka dhi.". i.e., it starts at "mukkal idam" instead of "Onnarai idam". (In other words it starts after first 3 matras instead of the first 6 matras) Nilave Vaa and Men Panju also becomes Desadi, if you fix the speed of the Aadi 2x to that of normal aadi (thats why i called it as 1/2 kalai aadi in the post, although I don't know if such a speed exist officially.)
Moreover, the Desadi that starts after 6 counts is expected to "sound complex" because of the unusual starting point. But if you double up the speed then the reference is easier to follow and take away the crux of Desadi I guess. So I am afraid, Nilave Vaa and Men Panju are not desadis in 1 kalai Aadi, but just normal 'anagatha eduppu' start at mukkal idam..
Hope I answered your question..? Please let me know if it made sense. Also I invite readers to validate/ correct my stance :-)
Best Regards
Vicky
very nice write up, even for a person who knows zilch about Carnatic music, seems to make sense...
ReplyDeleteJust a small correction: It is Mano. Not SPB :)
RG..
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment..
On your correction note - I was truly stumped there.. It sounded very much like SPB, especially with respect to the feel of the situation that's reflected in the voice.. that fooled me (I have already made the correction in the post..) Thanks again. And my adoration for Mano goes up by few notches now :-)
Best Regards
Vicky
Sir,
ReplyDeleteAny insight for de Charanams of de song - Yethetho Ennam varathein from de movie Punnagai mannan.
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~~Raaja rules!
Also, charanams of de song Manthira Punnagaiyo manjal from Manthira Punnagai. {smile}
ReplyDeleteI wish you write formal thesis on Raaja sir's compositions and release it as a book. Already, Your write-ups deserve for it. You bet!
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~~Raaja rules!
Also, Thenpothigai kaattre - Poonmani {both de pallavi and charanams}. A divine Lullaby! {smile}.
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Dear Kamalnath:
ReplyDeleteThanks for your kind words...
Both "Kula dheivame Endhan" (saranam of Ededho Ennam Valarthane) and "Then Pothigai" falls in the same category as What Ramesh Said.. (see my reply above); These cases become a Desadi Talam if you double up the metronome speed of the song.. i.e., If you put Aadhi Talam in such a way that one line - "Kula dheivame.. Endhan Kurai Theerkava..." takes 4 full cycles of Aadhi, then its Desadhi.. i.e., by the time "va" of the word 'Dheivame' is sung you have already completed one cycle of Aadhi.. This is not a reasonable speed to set as a reference for this song whose metronome is beautifully shown by the tabla nadai.. In reality, "Kula dheivame.. Endhan Kurai Theerkava..." covers only 2 full cycles of Aadhi.. thats the speed with which the song is composed.. So I am afraid it isn't Desadi.. (as I said, you can still fit it into Desadi if you double the speed.. But it doesn't look proportionate to the song that way.. Please try it out with the "Thaka dhimi Thaka Junu" pattern. It will be clearer.)
As far "Mandhira Punnagiyo", its Aadhi Talam - Tisra Nadai.. And the charanam starts at the third mathra of first aksharam. So I am afraid this doesn't qualify for Desadhi too.. isin't ??
Precisely!!! Certainly, it does make sense {smile}. That's why I did not make an affirmative sentence.
ReplyDeleteI do not know whether you would believe me if I say, while posting the song - Yethetho Ennam varathein, I predicted your reply would be "As I said earlier for the song Vasantha Raaja..." {smile}. With presto reply, it was there. As ain't literate w.r.to music, it's really bizarre if I tell how I find de beat cycle {like - Vanthathey oh oh has tisra nadai}. I normally do not go with Konakkol or Sollu Kattu, I barely have an idea about it, though. Not a profound analysis on beat cycle. I was very keen on tines through keyboard at interlude of the song - Chinnamani kuyile mella vaarum maiyile to find where the beat cycle for charanam starts {Again, I do not know whether it is proper way of finding de Thala measure...} and also, Chinna Chinna roja poove from Poovizhi vasaliley as in these songs also rhythm starts prior to the charanam, however, they do not cover mukkal idam, either.
Sorry for bothering you again, any insight for de song - Hele Kogile Impaagala - Nammura mandara hoove {It's first charanam only, I am afraid it has pre-set rhythm or programmed rhythm rather than live percussion arrangement, it sounds like live, though}. Awaiting quite interesting and very informative explanation! Thanks in advance!
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~~Raaja rules!
Dear Kamal:
ReplyDeleteThere is a small correction to my previous comment.. I mentioned that
"If you put Aadhi Talam in such a way that one line - Kula dheivame.. Endhan Kurai Theerkava... takes 4 full cycles of Aadhi, then its Desadhi.. " ; I wrote that by picturing the rhythm in mind.. But these things takes some effort to conclude by singing it and realizing :-) and then I realized I made a small mistake..
The correct statement should be - "if Kula dheivame.. Endhan Kurai Theerkava... takes 2 full cycles of Aadhi, then its Desadhi.. " But in reality it takes only one full cycle Aadhi as per the Tabla nadai. So "Kula" starts at "Tha ka dhi" and not at "Tha ka dhi mi| Tha Ka"; So Sorry for the confusion.. However my overall inference remain the same... (that in proportion to the tabla speed, Kula dhievame and Men panju are not Desadhis..)
saranam of "Chinna Chinna roja poove" should be madhyadhi talam. I will get back to you about "Hele Kogille". Thats an interesting one..
You 2 have a good one..
~ Vicky
Vicky,
ReplyDeleteThere's a song in Ashwamedham (Telugu), "Chum Chaku Chaku" (resembling somewhat "Rakkamma kaiya thattu"). In Pallavi of this song, though its starts normally, but while repeating the Pallavi, suddenly he creates a miss and thereby a staggering lagging in Song Vs Thalam.
Please explain this Vicky
Regards
CSR
Vicky,
ReplyDeleteThe things make us awe-struck striking discordant with some Self-styled "intellectuals" here:
http://www.themusicmagazine.com/usire.html
Just to study and forget!
Regards
CSR
Saw a very interesting post by you on Deshadi versus madhyadhi eduppu. I am a novice in tALam although I have made this lesson on tALams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yi8Geh9Sp4&t=119s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgEN-UsPnOM (Blind teaching the blind!). Learnt a lot from your post although I am not familiar with the film songs you talk about. Tried to google tose songs but could not easily find the songs and gave up. Why not include links to songs in your posts that talk about specific songs? Namaste! Sri Vasudevan, Ph.D.
ReplyDeleteEnjoyed your write-up.thanks for the information.
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